Comments on: Ashura of Muharram – A Shia and Sunni Muslim Observance http://www.iqrasense.com/islamic-history/ashura-of-muharram-a-shia-and-sunni-muslim-observance.html Islamic Blog - Muslim Blog to discuss Islamic and Arab and Middle Eastern topics and articles Tue, 07 Feb 2012 19:39:23 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Maryam http://www.iqrasense.com/islamic-history/ashura-of-muharram-a-shia-and-sunni-muslim-observance.html#comment-24350 Maryam Fri, 13 Jan 2012 03:44:15 +0000 http://www.iqrasense.com/islamic-history/ashura-of-muharram-a-shia-and-sunni-muslim-observance.html#comment-24350 Salam, Thing is, there are many tragedies that happened with the prophet (pbuh) and his family and followers when he first started calling people to the truth - Islam. The food ban, the hardship and struggle, people used to throw stones at him until his sandals were drenched in blood...Whey don't we mourn for him? Why don't we do matam for him and all the other people that suffered with him and died? I respect peoples' views but we need to think logically about this. We're intelligent Muslims so we really need to start thinking for ourselves rather than just following our forefathers. And for those who are independent in their thought process with regards to doing matam on Ashura, how will this benefit you? Our bodies are a blessing from Allah aza wajal, we should protect them internally and externally. Hassan and Hussain (r.a) are ''the youth of Paradise'' Please take a moment to ponder on this. Don't be influenced by others and swayed by emotion, I just want to know, where is the sense in this?! This Dunya is temporary, our eternal abode is the hereafter. Thank Allah aza wajal we have the Qur'an, if we didn't, we would be completely lost. We need to go back to the Qur'an. We need to refrain from following such rituals because this won't take us to Jannah, the Qur'an will. When someone you love passes away, it is only natural to cry and to abstain from eating. There is no reward for it, but Allah aza wajal understands your grief, he knows that you are in an unstable state, shocked perhaps...but as time passes, Al-hamdulillah we move on, back to normal you could say. BUT we're talking about the beloved grandson of the prophet (pbuh). Yes, hearing the story of Karbala every Muharram can make one very emotional...that is perfectly acceptable, but doing matam?! We need to get our priorities straight. First of all, we need to understand the Qur'an. Secondly, we need to know that regardless of what any hadith says about the events that took place, who killed who etc. we will never know the complete truth because that is only with Allah aza wajal. So we need to focus on ISLAM! Our IMAAN, our WORSHIP to NO ONE BUT ALLAH!!! Salam,

Thing is, there are many tragedies that happened with the prophet (pbuh) and his family and followers when he first started calling people to the truth – Islam. The food ban, the hardship and struggle, people used to throw stones at him until his sandals were drenched in blood…Whey don’t we mourn for him? Why don’t we do matam for him and all the other people that suffered with him and died? I respect peoples’ views but we need to think logically about this. We’re intelligent Muslims so we really need to start thinking for ourselves rather than just following our forefathers. And for those who are independent in their thought process with regards to doing matam on Ashura, how will this benefit you? Our bodies are a blessing from Allah aza wajal, we should protect them internally and externally.

Hassan and Hussain (r.a) are ”the youth of Paradise” Please take a moment to ponder on this. Don’t be influenced by others and swayed by emotion, I just want to know, where is the sense in this?!

This Dunya is temporary, our eternal abode is the hereafter. Thank Allah aza wajal we have the Qur’an, if we didn’t, we would be completely lost.

We need to go back to the Qur’an.

We need to refrain from following such rituals because this won’t take us to Jannah, the Qur’an will.

When someone you love passes away, it is only natural to cry and to abstain from eating. There is no reward for it, but Allah aza wajal understands your grief, he knows that you are in an unstable state, shocked perhaps…but as time passes, Al-hamdulillah we move on, back to normal you could say.

BUT we’re talking about the beloved grandson of the prophet (pbuh). Yes, hearing the story of Karbala every Muharram can make one very emotional…that is perfectly acceptable, but doing matam?!

We need to get our priorities straight. First of all, we need to understand the Qur’an. Secondly, we need to know that regardless of what any hadith says about the events that took place, who killed who etc. we will never know the complete truth because that is only with Allah aza wajal. So we need to focus on ISLAM! Our IMAAN, our WORSHIP to NO ONE BUT ALLAH!!!

]]> By: Javed http://www.iqrasense.com/islamic-history/ashura-of-muharram-a-shia-and-sunni-muslim-observance.html#comment-23503 Javed Tue, 06 Dec 2011 07:10:57 +0000 http://www.iqrasense.com/islamic-history/ashura-of-muharram-a-shia-and-sunni-muslim-observance.html#comment-23503 Assalamalikuim, sister Samia, You said why dont we keep the roza the whole year why only on 9th and 10th dear sister for enlightening your knowledge, sunna is to be practised as per Rasool direction, we cant invent anything new in deen, therefore if he said keep fast on ashura thats it, the chpater closes, and this fast is nothing to do with what happened in karbala, of which no authentoc report is avalable, if you argue why only on 9th than i have given u the reason its hadis, on contrary why dont youll do matam 365 days why on 10th muharram only, you have invented these act in religion, islam never told you to do this act neither in quran or in authentic hadis you will find this. rasool have not done this act, and above all its beyond common sense to do such act, you said dont follw yazeed mother etc etc, history is history be it european history the world history or islamic you wont find anything AUTHENTIC, its only quran n sahih hadis, however we arent following that lady we are follwoing our prophet who did fast and the reason is joined with Moosa alisalam, its long back what has mother of yazeed to do with Moosa alisalam ??? dont mix things sister our stand is clear we fast as rasool did, where is mother of yazeed in between ? if as per your argument she had fasted because according to you yazeed killed Imam HASSAN & HUSAIN (R.A.) then who cares about them? What postion does yazeed mother or even yazeed have in islam can you tell me, its NIL. islam was completed during the time of prophet we cant add in deen, if you think doing matam is part of deen whereas its not ordained by the prophet that means you know islam better than the prophet ? dont make HISTORY that to uncertain a part of islam or deen, we dont have any right to alter the deen, if you say mamtam is correct and its perfect then i just by seeing it reject islam as totally, my comon sense does not allow me to follow such act, above all may i ask you what do youll say in matam, YA ALI HUM NA THE (Oh ALi we weren't there!). May i ask you what youll would have done if you were there? May i ask you sister in the grave will you be asked who killed imam Hassan and Husain (R.A.) ? will on the day of judgment you will be asked this question ? no then why are we divided so much on this issue that to based on HISTORY where you find different historians have different view, than can you tell one good reason why should i belive in you history only ? dear sister islam is not based on histrory ? its a complete way of life of dos and donts given by the prophet, out of which many sects that are going to come will bound to alter it, and rightly said by the prophet all will go to hell except 1. Lets not be in those. For that study islam with unprejduice mind. you will find different imam saying diff things if you are confused what is right or wrong its simple ask Allah for guidance, and than keep you mind open, see what comes your way. Its you who classify your self in return i have to say myself sunni, BUT if you check up islam you wont find these 2 words either shia or sunni, sounds like i am dr zakir students right ? no sister !!! iam aware of islamic teaching much much before him, what he says on genral basis iam aware from my childhood, as i kept asking Allah for guidance as i knew the nuts muslims are divided, and i want to be on the right track, yesteday it slef i was listening to a shias speech abusing Aboo Backer and Umar (R.A.) Sister is it common sense? Allah has told in quran not to abuse even the false gods that they worship beside him, so then where does the question comes of abusing each other. islam doesnt say you have to believe in AbboBAKER or Umar (R.A.) in oder to go to jannah, in same way its not even OBLIGATORY ON ME TO BELIVE IN HAZRAT ALI (R.A.) TO GO TO JANNAH !!!!!!!!!!! EACH INDIVIDUAL WILL BE ACCOUNTED ON THE DAY OF JUDGMENT INDIVIDULLAY ITS A QURANIC MESSAGE NO ON WILL CARRY ANYBODY ELSES BURDEN. Assalamalikuim, sister Samia,
You said why dont we keep the roza the whole year why only on 9th and 10th dear sister for enlightening your knowledge, sunna is to be practised as per Rasool direction, we cant invent anything new in deen, therefore if he said keep fast on ashura thats it, the chpater closes, and this fast is nothing to do with what happened in karbala, of which no authentoc report is avalable, if you argue why only on 9th than i have given u the reason its hadis, on contrary why dont youll do matam 365 days why on 10th muharram only, you have invented these act in religion, islam never told you to do this act neither in quran or in authentic hadis you will find this. rasool have not done this act, and above all its beyond common sense to do such act, you said dont follw yazeed mother etc etc, history is history be it european history the world history or islamic you wont find anything AUTHENTIC, its only quran n sahih hadis, however we arent following that lady we are follwoing our prophet who did fast and the reason is joined with Moosa alisalam, its long back what has mother of yazeed to do with Moosa alisalam ??? dont mix things sister our stand is clear we fast as rasool did, where is mother of yazeed in between ? if as per your argument she had fasted because according to you yazeed killed Imam HASSAN & HUSAIN (R.A.) then who cares about them? What postion does yazeed mother or even yazeed have in islam can you tell me, its NIL. islam was completed during the time of prophet we cant add in deen, if you think doing matam is part of deen whereas its not ordained by the prophet that means you know islam better than the prophet ? dont make HISTORY that to uncertain a part of islam or deen, we dont have any right to alter the deen, if you say mamtam is correct and its perfect then i just by seeing it reject islam as totally, my comon sense does not allow me to follow such act, above all may i ask you what do youll say in matam, YA ALI HUM NA THE (Oh ALi we weren’t there!). May i ask you what youll would have done if you were there?

May i ask you sister in the grave will you be asked who killed imam Hassan and Husain (R.A.) ? will on the day of judgment you will be asked this question ? no then why are we divided so much on this issue that to based on HISTORY where you find different historians have different view, than can you tell one good reason why should i belive in you history only ? dear sister islam is not based on histrory ? its a complete way of life of dos and donts given by the prophet, out of which many sects that are going to come will bound to alter it, and rightly said by the prophet all will go to hell except 1. Lets not be in those. For that study islam with unprejduice mind. you will find different imam saying diff things if you are confused what is right or wrong its simple ask Allah for guidance, and than keep you mind open, see what comes your way. Its you who classify your self in return i have to say myself sunni, BUT if you check up islam you wont find these 2 words either shia or sunni, sounds like i am dr zakir students right ? no sister !!! iam aware of islamic teaching much much before him, what he says on genral basis iam aware from my childhood, as i kept asking Allah for guidance as i knew the nuts muslims are divided, and i want to be on the right track, yesteday it slef i was listening to a shias speech abusing Aboo Backer and Umar (R.A.) Sister is it common sense? Allah has told in quran not to abuse even the false gods that they worship beside him, so then where does the question comes of abusing each other. islam doesnt say you have to believe in AbboBAKER or Umar (R.A.) in oder to go to jannah, in same way its not even OBLIGATORY ON ME TO BELIVE IN HAZRAT ALI (R.A.) TO GO TO JANNAH !!!!!!!!!!!

EACH INDIVIDUAL WILL BE ACCOUNTED ON THE DAY OF JUDGMENT INDIVIDULLAY ITS A QURANIC MESSAGE NO ON WILL CARRY ANYBODY ELSES BURDEN.

]]> By: mohd azam http://www.iqrasense.com/islamic-history/ashura-of-muharram-a-shia-and-sunni-muslim-observance.html#comment-23286 mohd azam Sun, 04 Dec 2011 10:09:55 +0000 http://www.iqrasense.com/islamic-history/ashura-of-muharram-a-shia-and-sunni-muslim-observance.html#comment-23286 assalam alekum to u all gud 2 c lot of people here,on a single platform.i m thankful 2 all who have posted here,it added a lot 2 my knowledge.i don't want 2 say more bt request u all 2 pls respect everyones feeling and stand united for ISLAM as MUSLIMS not divide into different sects. may ALLAH bless all of us n show the right path. assalam alekum to u all
gud 2 c lot of people here,on a single platform.i m thankful 2 all who have posted here,it added a lot 2 my knowledge.i don’t want 2 say more bt request u all 2 pls respect everyones feeling and stand united for ISLAM as MUSLIMS not divide into different sects.
may ALLAH bless all of us n show the right path.

]]> By: engr. bappah http://www.iqrasense.com/islamic-history/ashura-of-muharram-a-shia-and-sunni-muslim-observance.html#comment-13632 engr. bappah Fri, 21 May 2010 00:25:21 +0000 http://www.iqrasense.com/islamic-history/ashura-of-muharram-a-shia-and-sunni-muslim-observance.html#comment-13632 i am happy to see some reasonable comment, but not happy to see some unknowledgeable ones. therefore, i am advising muslim brothers to understand both the sunni and shia concept of the event of ashura, make analysis before making a comment. so that the person will not make a sentimental comment. because islam belongs to Allah. inna dina inda lahil islam. i am happy to see some reasonable comment, but not happy to see some unknowledgeable ones. therefore, i am advising muslim brothers to understand both the sunni and shia concept of the event of ashura, make analysis before making a comment. so that the person will not make a sentimental comment. because islam belongs to Allah. inna dina inda lahil islam.

]]> By: Saima http://www.iqrasense.com/islamic-history/ashura-of-muharram-a-shia-and-sunni-muslim-observance.html#comment-13114 Saima Wed, 06 Jan 2010 00:59:42 +0000 http://www.iqrasense.com/islamic-history/ashura-of-muharram-a-shia-and-sunni-muslim-observance.html#comment-13114 JazakAllah sister Sameera for ur nice response. JazakAllah sister Sameera for ur nice response.

]]> By: sameera http://www.iqrasense.com/islamic-history/ashura-of-muharram-a-shia-and-sunni-muslim-observance.html#comment-13108 sameera Mon, 04 Jan 2010 23:16:48 +0000 http://www.iqrasense.com/islamic-history/ashura-of-muharram-a-shia-and-sunni-muslim-observance.html#comment-13108 Sister Salma, all the references that I quoted in my article are from sunni books. I have not quoted anything from any shia sources. There is enough evidence in the books of Ahle sunnah without having to refer to any other books. We also have a system of authenticating Ahadiths. A very strong sytem where the character and weightage of the narrator is verified before the hadith is confirmed as being authentic. Most of our ahadith are from the Ahle baith whose character and nobilty cannot be questioned. Sister Saima, we shias believe in the Imamate not because the religion was not perfected but because the Prophet declared his successor Ali(AS) as the Imam/leader after him. After the Prophet(SAWS), who would the muslims have referred to know the correct interpretation of the Quran? The best people who could guide were the Ahle baith. And the Prophet SAWS) on his return from his last Haj had stopped at a place called Ghadeer e khum and declared Hazrat Ali(AS) to be his successsor. All the muslims present there including the sahaba pledged allegience to Ali(AS) in front of the Prophet(SAWS). But after the death of the Prophet(SAWS) when Hazrat Ali (AS) and his uncle Abbas were preparing for the funeral the sahabas along with other people met at saqifa to discuss a successor. Every tribe wanted a successor from their tribe..there were arguments and then finally Abu Bakar(RA) was declared the caliph. All this can be found in a lot of sunni books including sahih Bukhari where the incident at Ghadeer e khum is clearly mentioned. Why did the sahabas disobey the Prophet after he clearly declared his successor? None of the Hashimites or the close sahabas of the Prophet accepted this caliphate. There is a lot pertaining to this. I cannot write everything here. But if you want further references I can provide them. Commerating Karbala is a reminder for everyone. It is today due to that great sacrifice that Islam is still alive, that we are still muslims. By trying to belittle the sacrifices of Hussain(AS) we will gain no benefit. To mourn is human.. dosnt matter what caste, religion or nation you belong to. We watch movies and cry, but when our eyes tear up in the memory of Hussain then it is considered to be wrong???... If crying was wrong then Allah would not have given us this emotion. I think you dont need religion to understand this.. common sense should be enough. Sister Salma, all the references that I quoted in my article are from sunni books. I have not quoted anything from any shia sources. There is enough evidence in the books of Ahle sunnah without having to refer to any other books. We also have a system of authenticating Ahadiths. A very strong sytem where the character and weightage of the narrator is verified before the hadith is confirmed as being authentic. Most of our ahadith are from the Ahle baith whose character and nobilty cannot be questioned.
Sister Saima, we shias believe in the Imamate not because the religion was not perfected but because the Prophet declared his successor Ali(AS) as the Imam/leader after him. After the Prophet(SAWS), who would the muslims have referred to know the correct interpretation of the Quran? The best people who could guide were the Ahle baith. And the Prophet SAWS) on his return from his last Haj had stopped at a place called Ghadeer e khum and declared Hazrat Ali(AS) to be his successsor. All the muslims present there including the sahaba pledged allegience to Ali(AS) in front of the Prophet(SAWS). But after the death of the Prophet(SAWS) when Hazrat Ali (AS) and his uncle Abbas were preparing for the funeral the sahabas along with other people met at saqifa to discuss a successor. Every tribe wanted a successor from their tribe..there were arguments and then finally Abu Bakar(RA) was declared the caliph. All this can be found in a lot of sunni books including sahih Bukhari where the incident at Ghadeer e khum is clearly mentioned. Why did the sahabas disobey the Prophet after he clearly declared his successor?
None of the Hashimites or the close sahabas of the Prophet accepted this caliphate. There is a lot pertaining to this. I cannot write everything here. But if you want further references I can provide them.
Commerating Karbala is a reminder for everyone. It is today due to that great sacrifice that Islam is still alive, that we are still muslims. By trying to belittle the sacrifices of Hussain(AS) we will gain no benefit. To mourn is human.. dosnt matter what caste, religion or nation you belong to. We watch movies and cry, but when our eyes tear up in the memory of Hussain then it is considered to be wrong???… If crying was wrong then Allah would not have given us this emotion. I think you dont need religion to understand this.. common sense should be enough.

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